Peaceful Quotes From the Qur’an
October 16, 2007 by TJM Admin
Such a harmonious, peaceful set of scriptures. How absolutely tolerant! Please, where do I sign up?
- 2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. [87, Medina]
- 9:123 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged. [113, Medina]
- 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [113, Medina]
- 9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. [113, Medina]
- 9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! [113, Medina]
- 9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. [113, Medina]
- 25:52 So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them…with a great endeavour. [42, Mecca]
- 47:4 Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. [95, Medina]
- 8:12 When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. [88, Medina]
So…where do I sign up?
Another young Iranian victim of Islam.
PayAm Amini, was hanged in public on Sunday Sep. 29, 2002. He screamed: “..we didn’t kill anyone, we don’t deserve to die. So many terrible crimes are committed in this country every day and yet no one is punished for it..”
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/hanged1.jpg
This is how Islam elevates Women
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/hang4a.jpg
A cut off hand:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/handcut0.jpg
Good Islamic Education:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/suicide_bomber.jpg
Teaching peace:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/BOOKOFDEATH.jpg
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/islamic_jihad_w_koran_and_rifle.jpg
More gruesome photos here:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
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Let’s not forget honour killings… Where a woman can be killed for refusing an arranged marriage, seeking a divorce, or “allowing herself” to be raped.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html
I’ve yet to see anything in this world worth killing for - least of all the twisted, ancient mythology written by a group of power hungry, patriarchal, manipulative bronze agers.
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** The real issue — it’s social control **
Xian males, like their muslim brethren, shudder at a technological world in which mental agility has replaced physical strength as a core measure of economic utility. This reordering of values strips away a core faith-based lie: god-ordained male supremacy.
Unresolved to this day is a decades long struggle over gender equality — equal productive and reproductive rights. Who does The House and Senate back? The relevant group, women themselves, tens of millions of them?
Or white male second-hand-god salesmen? Spewing pro-natalist social Darwinism tarted up as “family values”. Fundies are obvious offenders, but RCs run a close second.
Women’s aspirations, self realization, reproductive self-determination must be crushed by direct force. Xian domestic terrorism, like muslim domestic terrorism, humiliates, intimidates, and batters women back to submission.
Protected by complicit federal and state officials, cells of xian thugs have been targeting women and their humane values for decades. Irrationality drives scientific knowledge about sex from America’s schools just as it drives medical research abroad.
Xian political ideologues must eventually embrace state totalitarianism. Their “truths” can never win popular support. An open society will repudiate a nihilism composed of literalist lies, morally repugnant beliefs, and puritanical rules.
bipolar2
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bipolar you either need to start making sense or stop posting because your posts are pretty awful.
Aaron
copyright asserted 2007
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So not only you are on a Christian-bashing exercise, you are on an Islam-bashing exercise as well!
Do note that such filthy lies such as quoted above in your article as well as the equally-ludicrous and — should I say, obtuse? — comments by the commenters above have been refuted and dealt with time and time again in the following:
(unapproved links deleted)
You may get away with mocking the Xtians but you are certainly not getting away with mocking mine.
- MENJ
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So, MENJ, it was all good when we were just discussing Christianity, but not yours? Please! Your religion suffers from the same disease as any other religion out there. While you may be able to defend the above mention quotes from the Qur’an, many of your counterparts take them as what they appear and act upon them. The problem is “interpretation.” Your “Holy” book is just as vaguely written as the Bible, which leads to fundamentalism.
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Hello Aaron:
Your lack of good manners doesn’t concern me.
You’re going to need to give me reasons for your comments. That is, if you want an response with more wit and intelligence than it appears you can muster.
Just what is it that seems to bother you? What doesn’t make sense?
If you have any rational alterations to make, facts to cite, arguments (in the logical sense) to make, I’d love to see them.
Obviously, I’ll continue to respond as I see fit. And, spare me the invective. It’s puerile.
bipolar2
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Bipolar,
I’m with aaron on this one. I can’t understand most of your posts - you jump from topic to topic, briefly illuminating each point you’re trying to make, but never leaving that light on long enough for your audience’s eyes to adjust.
Menj,
Ideas merit no inherent respect. It is entirely just and proper to denounce preposterous ideas as preposterous. It is entirely just and proper to denounce hateful ideas as hateful.
Islam is at least as bigoted as Christianity, and I’m being extremely generous to Islam in that comparison. The beliefs you claim to hold are ludicrous, hateful, and harmful to humanity. The “peacefulness” of Islam and Christianity is all style and no substance.
“You may get away with mocking the Xtians but you are certainly not getting away with mocking mine.”
Yeah? And how far are you willing to carry that? Are you gonna start your own blog refuting our statements? Or, are you going to try to force us to silence?
Either way, you’re going to look like the fool.
Seething,
Rival
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** . . . those who are not against us, are with us. **
Hello rivalarrival and aaron:
Your comments carry no weight.
Emotive language absent reasons does not constitute a legitimate response.
What’s apparently unintelligible to you speaks volumes about your quota of knowledge and powers of logical thought. You’re braying at your own reflection.
If some claim X or some connection between X and claim Y bothers you, you must address substance not your emotional reaction to it.
How you feel about something is not a reason for me to believe anything or to do anything. Contact with true believers should have taught you as much.
I don’t make movies . . . I take photographs.
And, remember I’m not against you . . . I’m with you.
bipolar2
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Bipolar,
“Your comments carry no weight.”
Communication is the act of transferring an idea from the speaker to the audience. Two people have informed you that your attempts at communication are failing, and yet you ignore them - nay, you insult them. Interesting.
I’m not trying to demean you - quite the contrary. I’m just to tell you that I have extreme difficulty following your train of thought. You can blame it on my ignorance or inability to reason if you want. The fact is that your audience is having difficulty understanding the ideas you are trying to convey.
If being the only person who knows what you are trying to say is some sort of an ego boost for you, ignore the criticism.
Contemplating my navel,
Rival
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Hello “rival”,
Once again you’ve told me nothing —
I’ve seen no attempt to address any specific issues other than your inability to understand. I merely defend myself from unjustified critiques from Aaron and you. You hardly constitute an “audience”.
Ask me a question about a matter of substance — take a paragraph that seems unclear and ask me about just what I mean. Or, ask what is the connection between these two points. Again, what specifically do you not “get”? You’ve yet to point out one example.
We’re wasting time here . . . I’d say move on. If you’re so put out by what I say, take up your concerns with the webmaster. He knows where to find me.
bipolar2
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** logic is not enough . . . **
One of the central problems with discussion on TJM, and all similar sites I’ve come across using StumbleUpon, I call “conceding out of ignorance.” Four (interacting) dimensions of discourse . . . of perspective get ignored:
1. time — xianity appeared as a jewish heresy. It is a belief structure which has been in steep decline since 1600. Attempts to preserve it are shrill and vicious. They will fail because they are socially destructive. And xianity will totally cease as a “living” religion. (This what Nietzsche meant by the infamous phrase: “God is dead.”)
2. space — most of the world’s people are not xian. They would resist (and have resisted) attempted conversion. Their religious views, of course, are mutually inconsistent. As myths, they are fictional prose and poetry.
3. value — India and Japan are good examples where the dominant culture will not absorb an alien framework of religion antithetical to itself. Japan is basically a secular society. India has withstood domination by Buddhist elites and by Moslem elites. Buddhism no longer exists in the land of its birth, and by partition Islam was simply cut out of the Indian body politic.
4. culture — most Europeans are secularists, and admit it. Most Americans are secularists, but don’t admit it. One upcoming test of cultural health in the U.S. — the elections of 2008 — will show whether the disease of fundamentalism will be limited by an immune system now trained to recognize it and begin a long process of limiting its virulence.
>> the essence of concession
Xianity looks big because you’re standing too close to it. In perspective, it can be dismissed — as a belief structure — along with all its closely related near eastern relatives: zoroastrianism, judaism, and islam.
For example, all matters related to defects of the near eastern theists so-called sacred writings — contradictions, bad arguments, polemics — directly taking on its apologists is a damned waste of your time.
You might as well be parsing Batman at a comix convention.
bipolar2
copyright asserted 2007
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Bipolar,
“You hardly constitute an “audience”.”
You hardly constitute a speaker. Shall we continue to abuse eachother?
“take a paragraph that seems unclear and ask me about just what I mean.”
Not interested - you haven’t given me any reason to think your ideas might be worth the effort it will take to extract them. If it appeared like you had some special insight, I would take the time. But, your comments don’t demonstrate that insight.
Your comments usually start out with some quote/hypothesis/talking point. But then, instead of supporting, relying on, or referencing that point, you follow some tangential path away from that thought, never to return. You’re telling the class “Open your history textbooks to page 937″, and then start your lesson from page 212 of Geometry. When the class begins to figure this out, you put down the geometry book and pick up People Magazine. Then, in the middle of the lesson(s) you walk out the door. Your students are sitting there, dumbfounded, and asking eachother “WTF just happened?”
Bipolar: WTF just happened?
Schizophrenically,
Rival
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Hello Rival:
A book is a mirror: when an Ape looks in no Apostle looks out.
— Lichtenberg
You’re certainly the most Christ-like person I’ve met in a long time. Are you a convert from fundamentalism — you’ve got the requisite skill set: no fun, all damn, no mental.
Used to getting your way by bullying people aren’t you? Well, I’ve dealt with thugs before. Censoring me won’t make you one whit more clever, more educated, or more decent. You’re failing now as it is.
Any further harassment will simply be passed on to TJAdmin.
bipolar2
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Bipolar:
WTF just happened?
Wrestling with the pig,
Rival
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Your christians like cutting and pasting. the verses in thequran before and after that said to defend your religion and not to fight others until they fight you. These verses were sent by god during war time and that is why they say what they say. when you read the quran you have teh read teh whole chapter and know when it was given to the people
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in the quran it says that men and woman are equal. the only difference is that men are physically stronger. other then that they are equal.
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Mohammad,
Are all Muslims aware of these subtle nuances?
The Bible states that we are to love both our neighbors and our enemies as we love “god”… This hasn’t stopped the Westboro Baptist Church, or the KKK from ignoring these statements in favor of some mistranslated suggestion taken out of context to preach bigotry, hate, and intolerance against anyone they don’t like.
Islam isn’t the problem any more than Christianity is the problem. Both make for good stories, but piss-poor yardsticks for morality.
The problem is Christians, and Muslims, and Jews, and Hindus, and Buddhists, and Scientologists, and everyone else who either cannot or will not separate fiction from reality.
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