To be deported for voting
December 24, 2007 by rivalarrival
Filed under Blog
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Alright folks, ready to get pissed off?
TJM Author Luci has a problem. Her son received a letter last week, saying he would be deported for lacking moral character. Evidence? After registering for selective service, political campaigners mistakenly explained that he was allowed to vote in a local election because he had registered for selective service.
This young man lacks moral character because a political campaigner told him he could vote, election officials allowed him to vote, and he informed INS officials that he had voted.
Yes, he made a mistake, but it was a mistake that other people had a duty prevent. The campaigner should have known that resident aliens were not authorized to vote, and should not have pressed him into doing so. Election officials should have informed him at the polls that he was not allowed to vote because he was not yet a citizen.
The 26th amendment states that all citizens, 18 years or older, are granted the right to vote. This amendment was passed in 1971. It was proposed because the draft age was 18, but the voting age in some states was 21. People who were not politically represented were drafted and ordered to fight.
Now, this young man, who registered for selective service and could be called to fight and die for the United States, is not only denied the right to vote, he is also facing deportation.
There is nothing fair at all about this deportation.
Luci and her husband have been in the US about 10 years, and are naturalized citizens.
From Luci’s Petition.
~ lu
If anyone has any suggestions for us, please please email me ASAP. We need all the help we can get.
Email: Lucecorner[at]gmail[dot]com
Thank you tonyfor24, for the help in setting it up.
Thanks Xin and Digi for helping to write it.
Thanks for the idea, Antidotes.
Thank you in advance.
I am dying inside.
More details coming, so check back often. I’m looking for various places you can register your opinion, but for right now, the ACLU, Congress, and your local news outlets are good starting points. Make sure you sign Luci’s petition! If you have any suggestions or want to assist, either leave comments to this article or write Luci directly at lucecorner(at)gmail(dot)com or myself at rivalarrival(at)thejesusmyth(dot)com.
Update:
The notice was sent by:
Richard Gottlieb
Field Office Director
Citizenship and Immigration Services
6139 Tyvola Center Dr
Charlotte, NC 28217
This phone number has been associated with this office:
1-800-375-5283
WCNC is a Charlotte, NC news outlet. Contact information is all the way at the bottom of the page. (I couldn’t figure out direct linking to the page)
The following people are representatives for Luci’s son:
Congresswoman Sue Myrick
Phone: (202) 225-1976
Fax: (202) 225-3389
Phone: (704) 362-1060
Fax: (704) 367-0852
E-mail: myrick@mail.house.gov
Congressman Robin Hayes
Contact via web form
Phone: (202) 225-3715
Fax: (202) 225-4036
Phone: (704) 786-1612
Fax: (704) 782-1004
Congressman Melvin Watt
Contact via web form
Phone: (202) 225-1510
Fax: (202) 225-1512
Phone: (704) 344-9950
Fax: (704) 344-9971
Senator Richard Burr
Contact via web form
Phone: (202) 224-3154
Fax: (202) 228-2981
Phone: (336) 631-5125
Fax: (336) 725-4493
Senator Elizabeth Dole
Contact via web form
Phone: (202) 224-6342
Fax: (202) 224-1100
Phone: (919) 856-4630
Fax: (919) 856-4053
Governor Michael Easley
Phone: (202) 624-5830
Fax: (202) 624-5836
State Senator Malcolm Graham
Malcolmg@ncleg.net
Phone: (919) 733-5650
Fax: (919) 733-3113
Phone: (704) 547-1193
State Congressman Thom Tillis
Thomt@ncleg.net
Phone: (919) 733-5530
Fax: (919) 733-2599
Phone: (704) 248-2980
State Congressman Drew Saunders
Drews@ncleg.net
Phone: (919) 733-5606
Fax: (919) 733-2599
Phone: (704) 875-2738
State Senator Beverly Earle
Beverlye@ncleg.net
Phone: (919) 715-2530
Fax: (919) 733-3113
Phone: (704) 333-7180
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Ananymous be careful. I am also in the same situation, but I am in my 50’s. I came to the US when I was 9 yo. All my brothers and parents were citizens but I came from Cuba after Castro and were brought here by my grandparents as a political refugee. I was told by my father that I was a citizen and even had an affidavit from the INS saying by virtue of my parents citizenship I was entitled to all rights under the Constituion granted to citizens. In NJ also I registered when I was in college by a political aid canvasing in 1979. He used the affidavit. The affidavit has been lost since. In short the INS said that both registering and voting is a crime and both are deportable offenses. But the law making it illegal was passed in 1996 (Patriot Act) and since I registered before then only the voting is illegal for me. They wanted additional information on my voting records to initiate deportation. My lawyer withdrew my application and I have not heard from the INS again. I applied to renew my Green Card and got it with no problem. It has been three years, hopefully this will be resolved through others before I have to confront it again. Bottom line is I got no sympathy from the INS and my lawyer said to lay low and stay a permanent resident. We are searching for the affidavit which the INS says they will not recognize but my lawyer said it will show I thought I was a citizen at the time. I am in Florida now and when I got here I was not asked to fill out anything I was asked for my voter ID from NJ and given the voter card here. My brother was the last that had the affidavit since all our names were on it. He thinks he gave it with his application for his citizenship certificate which he got in only two weeks since he was the son of citizen parents. My problem is that I did not enter with a green card as my brothers and parents and I did not acquire it till I was over 16. My parents never thought about it once I arrived since they never had a problem with the other four sons receiving their citizenship through them. It was that one small difference which made it illegal for me. The Patriot Act of 1996 also gives and exemption to children of citizen parents who enter the US permanently before the age of 16. It specifically says that the registering to vote and voting is not a crime for them if they thought they were citizens. My problem is that I came to the US at 9 y.o. but did not get my green card till after 16 y.o. The age of 16 is the cut off age for the exemption from deportation. Luci if you can please send me the name of your lawyer and let me know how you got the voting records from NJ. I doubt they still have it available but its worth a try. I have to search my brother’s INS records to find the affidavit if he submitted it with his application. I would also like to receive all the information about the hearings and outcomes since it would set a precedent for the rest of us in the future. Thanks
Ananymous, I doubt you will have a problem since you did not claim to be a citizen to register to vote. The Patriot Act makes it illegal to claim citizenship to register and vote not the act of registering itself. Specifically, the PA makes it illegal to claim to be a citizen to acquire a privilege or asset that is only available to citizens.
Hey Guys,
I thought you guys might be interested in a thread Luci started.
Go here:
“>http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...
You can ask her questions there,and she responds pretty promptly…
"Anonymous2 on May 20th, 2008 9:07 pm" – So do you think since I was only registered to vote,but never voted,I would be fine under the PA?…
Thanks..
Hey Guys,
I thought you guys might be interested in a thread Luci started.
Go here:
“>http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...
You can ask her questions there,and she responds pretty promptly…
"Anonymous2 on May 20th, 2008 9:07 pm" – So do you think since I was only registered to vote,but never voted,I would be fine under the PA?…
Thanks..
Hey Guys,
I thought you guys might be interested in a thread Luci started.
Go here:
“>http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...
You can ask her questions there,and she responds pretty promptly…
"Anonymous2 on May 20th, 2008 9:07 pm" – So do you think since I was only registered to vote,but never voted,I would be fine under the PA?…
Thanks..
Hey Guys,
I thought you guys might be interested in a thread Luci started.
Go here:
http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47418#47418
You can ask her questions there,and she responds pretty promptly…
“Anonymous2 on May 20th, 2008 9:07 pm” – So do you think since I was only registered to vote,but never voted,I would be fine under the PA?…
Thanks..
Yes, the Naturalization application asks if you have ever claimed to be a citizen of the United States, you say NO to that one because you never claimed that, you got the voters registration card automatically. The next question asks if you ever registered to vote, I would put down NO. Because you never registered to vote, the MV did that for you automatically. To register yourself to vote you have to go to the supervisor of elections office and fill out the application for a voter's registration card. What you put there is your choice. I don't think that is lying because you did not fill out the registration forms for a voter's card. The next question is, have you ever voted. You put NO for that one also since you have nvever voted. I would strongly urge you to go to the office of the supervisor of elections or whatever they call it in your State and remove yourself from the list of registered voter's. In other words unregister yourself to vote, you can do that. Do it before you apply for citizeship. The supervisor of elections office will not ask you why you want to remove yourself from the registered voter's list. If they do just tell them the MV registered you automatically when you applied for a driver's license and that was not your intent.
Yes, the Naturalization application asks if you have ever claimed to be a citizen of the United States, you say NO to that one because you never claimed that, you got the voters registration card automatically. The next question asks if you ever registered to vote, I would put down NO. Because you never registered to vote, the MV did that for you automatically. To register yourself to vote you have to go to the supervisor of elections office and fill out the application for a voter’s registration card. What you put there is your choice. I don’t think that is lying because you did not fill out the registration forms for a voter’s card. The next question is, have you ever voted. You put NO for that one also since you have nvever voted. I would strongly urge you to go to the office of the supervisor of elections or whatever they call it in your State and remove yourself from the list of registered voter’s. In other words unregister yourself to vote, you can do that. Do it before you apply for citizeship. The supervisor of elections office will not ask you why you want to remove yourself from the registered voter’s list. If they do just tell them the MV registered you automatically when you applied for a driver’s license and that was not your intent.
Hi "Anonymous2 on May 24th, 2008 5:12 am" –
I already submitted my application. I answered "YES" to the question that have you ever registered to vote…
Do you think,on my interview,I should update the application with the questions and change it to "NO"???
Please you can post your answers at this thread (http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...you dont mind,or just here also…
Hi "Anonymous2 on May 24th, 2008 5:12 am" –
I already submitted my application. I answered "YES" to the question that have you ever registered to vote…
Do you think,on my interview,I should update the application with the questions and change it to "NO"???
Please you can post your answers at this thread (http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...you dont mind,or just here also…
Hi "Anonymous2 on May 24th, 2008 5:12 am" –
I already submitted my application. I answered "YES" to the question that have you ever registered to vote…
Do you think,on my interview,I should update the application with the questions and change it to "NO"???
Please you can post your answers at this thread (http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...you dont mind,or just here also…
Hi “Anonymous2 on May 24th, 2008 5:12 am” –
I already submitted my application. I answered “YES” to the question that have you ever registered to vote…
Do you think,on my interview,I should update the application with the questions and change it to “NO”???
Please you can post your answers at this thread (http://atheisttoolbox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47418#47418)if you dont mind,or just here also…
"This boy needs to take some responsibility for his life!"
I don't suppose you could possibly be a registered republican, could you? The man who never made a mistake never made anything.
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