Comments on: Walid Shoebat and Kamal Saleem http://www.thejesusmyth.com/walid-shoebat-and-kamal-saleem.htm Where Faith and Logic Collide Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:08:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Patrick http://www.thejesusmyth.com/walid-shoebat-and-kamal-saleem.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4410 Patrick Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:21:49 +0000 http://www.thejesusmyth.com/?p=457#comment-4410 Oh, yes, and BTW, TonyV, I am not in any way religious or the US Christian-right, much more than someone like Hitchens is. Believe it or not, and I know liberals have trouble with this, you dont need to be religious to see the burgeoning threat of Islam of ALL religions to the west...it never really needed to be any kind of my God/Prophet vs Your God/Prophet at all...all this is to me is Western values, ideals, civilisation and decency vs the world as muslims/militants/jihadists see it... A far darker , madder thousand year nightmare in prospect than Adolf Hitler ever had in mind for us. Oh, yes, and BTW, TonyV, I am not in any way religious or the US Christian-right, much more than someone like Hitchens is.

Believe it or not, and I know liberals have trouble with this, you dont need to be religious to see the burgeoning threat of Islam of ALL religions to the west…it never really needed to be any kind of my God/Prophet vs Your God/Prophet at all…all this is to me is Western values, ideals, civilisation and decency vs the world as muslims/militants/jihadists see it…

A far darker , madder thousand year nightmare in prospect than Adolf Hitler ever had in mind for us.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.thejesusmyth.com/walid-shoebat-and-kamal-saleem.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4409 Patrick Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:09:11 +0000 http://www.thejesusmyth.com/?p=457#comment-4409 I finished Saleem's book only a couple of weeks ago, after perusing a few pages of it previously in a library and being awed by Saleem's description of his early childhood on the mean streets of Beirut, bullied , beaten and shaken down by young thugs of various religions and backgrounds such as Kurds, Armenians, Shias ...even when I borrowed the book and got into it fully, it only then dawned on me what a powerful counter-jihadist work this was. Id never even heard of him b4, although I was familiar with other former muslim speak-outs such as Wafa Sultan and Hirsi Ali (the latter gets a mention from Kamal) , British and Italian wake-up calls to the West such as Melanie Phillips, and the Little Green Footballs and Jihadwatch websites. It is an awesome book-I wont say "frightening" as of course the loony-lefty Polyanna denialists like to smugly assure us that the threat of Islam is all "fear-mongering" and Id be playing into their eager hands.One of the great things about people like Kamal, is try as they might to smear him as a fake who was never a jihadist fighter and terrorist, never a hard-core muslim bigot bent on the complete victory of islam and downfall of all non-muslims.. one thing they cant at least dismiss him as is the ever-popular "racist".. Even the author of this board seems to almost grasp that the excuses and apologism about the Koran itself is odious. As a footnote, one of the stark episodes of the book concerns Kamals time at a camp in Libya sponsored and funded by Ghaddafi, and two typical-sounding IRA 'heroes" he calls Bobby and Patrick (that might have even been their actual names) ...like many Irish, Bobby and Patrick thought Kamal and his jihadist buds were their linked-hands brothers in oppressed violent struggle...and wanted to be their hangers-on..running to Libya and them for refuge after apparently murdering some civilians on a train in the UK.. that move did "bobby and Patrick" a great deal of good. I finished Saleem’s book only a couple of weeks ago, after perusing a few pages of it previously in a library and being awed by Saleem’s description of his early childhood on the mean streets of Beirut, bullied , beaten and shaken down by young thugs of various religions and backgrounds such as Kurds, Armenians, Shias …even when I borrowed the book and got into it fully, it only then dawned on me what a powerful counter-jihadist work this was. Id never even heard of him b4, although I was familiar with other former muslim speak-outs such as Wafa Sultan and Hirsi Ali (the latter gets a mention from Kamal) , British and Italian wake-up calls to the West such as Melanie Phillips, and the Little Green Footballs and Jihadwatch websites.
It is an awesome book-I wont say “frightening” as of course the loony-lefty Polyanna denialists like to smugly assure us that the threat of Islam is all “fear-mongering” and Id be playing into their eager hands.One of the great things about people like Kamal, is try as they might to smear him as a fake who was never a jihadist fighter and terrorist, never a hard-core muslim bigot bent on the complete victory of islam and downfall of all non-muslims..
one thing they cant at least dismiss him as is the ever-popular “racist”..
Even the author of this board seems to almost grasp that the excuses and apologism about the Koran itself is odious.

As a footnote, one of the stark episodes of the book concerns Kamals time at a camp in Libya sponsored and funded by Ghaddafi, and two typical-sounding IRA ‘heroes” he calls Bobby and Patrick (that might have even been their actual names) …like many Irish, Bobby and Patrick thought Kamal and his jihadist buds were their linked-hands brothers in oppressed violent struggle…and wanted to be their hangers-on..running to Libya and them for refuge after apparently murdering some civilians on a train in the UK..

that move did “bobby and Patrick” a great deal of good.

]]> By: Mark H. http://www.thejesusmyth.com/walid-shoebat-and-kamal-saleem.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4168 Mark H. Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:51:44 +0000 http://www.thejesusmyth.com/?p=457#comment-4168 I will comment only re Kalam Saleem. I recently met him, and found him to be filled with love and concern for the U.S. As for the Qur'an (and the Hadith), you are correct ... even if the English translation one reads is not perfect, the central message is clear: Islam is the one true religion and its faithful adherents are obligated to spread it by many means until it dominates the world. Many belief systems have produced waves of violence against other peoples, but Islam stands alone as the foundation of 1400 years of assumed and dedication to eradicating other religions by force. I will comment only re Kalam Saleem. I recently met him, and found him to be filled with love and concern for the U.S. As for the Qur’an (and the Hadith), you are correct … even if the English translation one reads is not perfect, the central message is clear: Islam is the one true religion and its faithful adherents are obligated to spread it by many means until it dominates the world. Many belief systems have produced waves of violence against other peoples, but Islam stands alone as the foundation of 1400 years of assumed and dedication to eradicating other religions by force.

]]> By: TomV http://www.thejesusmyth.com/walid-shoebat-and-kamal-saleem.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4092 TomV Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:27:12 +0000 http://www.thejesusmyth.com/?p=457#comment-4092 @Deric: He never replied to me, so we didn't have much of an email chat. Generally, I have problems with his take on things. I think he is either insincere, or simply has a somewhat warped perception. It's also possible he's filtering those things he reads (for example, Dawkins) to "fit" what he wants to hear. I would be interested to see him debate Hitchens! @Deric:
He never replied to me, so we didn’t have much of an email chat.
Generally, I have problems with his take on things. I think he is either insincere, or simply has a somewhat warped perception. It’s also possible he’s filtering those things he reads (for example, Dawkins) to “fit” what he wants to hear. I would be interested to see him debate Hitchens!

]]> By: Deric http://www.thejesusmyth.com/walid-shoebat-and-kamal-saleem.htm/comment-page-1#comment-4091 Deric Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:28:08 +0000 http://www.thejesusmyth.com/?p=457#comment-4091 Interesting. Walid Shoebat just spoke at HSU and he misquoted Dawkins and Hitchens again. He tried to state that they only attack Christians, which is obviously untrue to anyone who is willing to take the time and at least read the chapter titles, let alone the actual books. How did your email chat go with Shoebat? Interesting. Walid Shoebat just spoke at HSU and he misquoted Dawkins and Hitchens again. He tried to state that they only attack Christians, which is obviously untrue to anyone who is willing to take the time and at least read the chapter titles, let alone the actual books. How did your email chat go with Shoebat?

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